ELD Outlook is Still Cloudy

Posted: 28 Oct, 2016 by Matt Sullivan


46 Comments

Categories: Trucking Regulations

Tags: CarrierOwner-Operator


Got questions about how to stay compliant with the upcoming ELD mandate? You’re not the only one. At the Commercial Vehicle Safety Alliance conference last month, FMCSA’s top management fielded questions about electronic logging devices from a packed audience. 

The e-log mandate is set to go into effect in December 2017, but there's still a lot of gray area.  Bill Quade, FMCSA associate administrator for enforcement and program delivery, stressed that the rule would not be delayed, but the Q&A posted by Fleet Owner reveals a lot of gray area. For one, the FMCSA hasn't certified many devices yet, and ELD vendors are still waiting to find out how they can self-certify that their devices meet the FMCSA requirements.

From Fleet Owner:

Quade likened the self-certification process to that used by the auto industry, where manufacturers do their own testing and the government issues recalls if problems are discovered later, and so FMCSA will not be conducting regular audits of vendors.

The FMCSA also still hasn’t gotten its Web Services system up and running, which would allow vendors to self-certify. If a truck’s ELD is found to be non-compliant during a roadside inspection, the carrier will get a one-time notice. If it happens a second time, the truck will be placed out of service, and the carrier will have just eight days to install compliant ELDs.

Have you started shopping for ELDs for your fleet? If so, how did you research whether or not it'll be compliant? Let us know in the comments.

 

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    Kevin Mossman

    • 11/2/2016 7:39:05 AM

    Elogs will not fix stupid nor will it fix the trucking industry. I am a small business owner who also drives I have one truck. This is not acceptable. Speed limiters nor elogs are any safer then a train in 70 mph wind gust the train will de rail at one point. These items are just another way for control.

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    Daniel Avram

    • 11/2/2016 1:37:36 PM

    ELD's are brought to you by corrupt liberal leadership, whose goal is to make the goverment big, and to control everything. Dear fellow small bussiness owner and owner operator voting for Hillary, you'll be out and working for the big corporations soon...

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    A McGinnis

    • 11/2/2016 2:12:58 PM

    This is the craziest thing I have ever seen in my life. Paper logs work, the 14 hour rule is weird how the guys are having to log period... all they are doing is causing major major issues in trucking and none of it is solving the problem. Slow the 4 wheelers down that are spiteful and cause accidents and are not there for the finale. When they jerk over and slam brakes... I know I've been in the truck with my husband when it happens and prayed we didn't clean a clock.... I didn't vote for Hillary.. I've had enough of liberal agenda.. they are not for America at all. And Auto self driven truck.. yeah that's a disaster waiting to cause a major pile up. Let some hacker guide that into a nice office building..

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    Donk

    • 11/3/2016 10:05:54 AM

    Doesn't the big companies have these already and aren't they the ones who are primarily falling asleep and crashing. Oh wait there's your answer Washington IT DOESNT WORK PERIOD!!!!!!

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    Steven J

    • 11/3/2016 10:12:30 AM

    I could not have imagined in 1981 when I started driving that this country would have gone this far, to control every facet of our lives. Who would have thought that it would be possible for the government to take away the 4th amendment rights from a whole class of citizens. Although my company will go up for sale in Feb of 2017, unless I see drastic changes in this rule, and I will be stepping out of a truck, there will be 10 bright eyed and bushy tailed young drivers that will jump in behind the wheel. They grew up with computers, and have their phones tracking their every movement so their friends can keep up with them. So they don't see any problem with big brother watching their every movement. Now we need a law to put an ankle bracelet on every one at the FMCSA and Anthony Fox so we can keep track of them. We already know their criminals, the ankle bracelet will just make it easier for us to penalize them when they mess up.

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    tgp

    • 11/3/2016 10:13:07 AM

    Oh this is great, cant even authorize what is acceptable, and take a truck out of service , cause just at that moment it is not according to the rules, that are published, is utter buul shiiit , The biggest deal, is the DISCRIMINATION of allowing 2000 or less models on the road with NO ELDS< I guess those drivers just do what the SAM heck they want to do !!!!!!!!!!

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    JBailey

    • 11/3/2016 10:29:52 AM

    I do not see how anyone who even knows a little bit about trucking can think that ELogs are a good idea. There are to many problems with mandating them. There is not enough truck parking as it is. Just recently I40's emergency lanes have began to look like a parking lot. When the drivers time has ran out or is close to running out and they are trying to get to a safe place to park and it is full they have no choice but to side lane park. This is dangerous for the driver and the general public as well. With Elogs the driver will be forced to drive while tired and rest when energized. The human body knows when it is tired and when it is not; this can not be determined by a machine. I know that there are those who do take advantage of running paper logs and falsify them but there are more who actually want to run legal and just make a living. As with anything there are always a few who have to ruin a good thing for everyone. I think that stricter laws should be enforced on 4 wheelers. Rigs can not stop on a dime but they always carry the burden of trying to. I could go on for hours.

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    Ramey

    • 11/3/2016 10:50:00 AM

    It seems the idea of calling others criminals and other slanderous names has taken hold of many a low class individual who thinks they are better then everyone else. No education, not real intelligence, nor knowledge, but very big on the mouth. All to no benefit, except for a momentary feeling of superiority, then it's back to oblivion.

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    DeWayne Hershberger

    • 11/3/2016 10:59:25 AM

    eld`s are only for the big Corp.s to track there Moron driver`s that were trained in 3 weeks! And don`t even know how to read a map!!!!And don`t remember that there is a trailer behind that automatic transmission minivan there driving!!!!!!

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    jack smith

    • 11/3/2016 11:14:11 AM

    seems the majority thinks its hillary, un fair, if anynone out here even pays attention to, the majority of the house,senate,and who signs this stuff, your near right, but remember,when all this stuff was passed, republicans,with support from, shippers,trucking corperations! the investors, insurence comp,and drivers who believe we should all be controled.passed this. the time fram,and the way, FMCSA does its comments,are the crime. and its remained that way,since those so called meeting about the implementation of the CDL back in 1984. they were meeting and comments were held at federal bldgs,during the work day,only in 5 cities. and we were going broke as driver,O/Os during that time. they found we dont give a shit,we arm chair everything, BLAME THIS ON YOURSELF! if you dont practice goverment,vote,or,write,and allow people into goverment,without fully asking the questions,and getting commitments from that person, then YOU have FAILED! democracy is a cherished ideal, and YOU HAVE FAILED! get the newsmedia out of asking questions and stupid nowhere debates. require the rep you vote for,stand at attention, and give straight foreword answers,or, boot them out, before they get started, this is what the OOIDA should be doing,in a public forum,for US! now, repeat, I will as a citizen of the great United States of Americam will, practice democracyand citizenship,and not cheap gossip. get the facts, theres many independant journals today that are far better to read,than cheap headline news. I dare DAT to print this!

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    Mike Sik

    • 11/3/2016 11:38:28 AM

    Thanks Obama for MORE REGULATION. Exactly what small business needs. Another fine example of taxpayer money hard at work.

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    James R Bryant

    • 11/3/2016 12:05:52 PM

    Got off the phone today with Road log. Wont find peoplenet, qualcom, rand mcnalley on any list because nobody knows what the approved criteria will be. Once they know...we will all have to download the updates to be compliant and you will know who the approved "dealers" are so you can buy the correct device. I am "begrudgenly" buying one of these as I just got ticketed in Florida for false logs. The way in motion snapped a picture at a certain time and my log showed another. Was pulled over the following day, 50 in a 45 and thats where the trouble began. This device wouldve stopped the false log but not the speeding ticket. All my fault, only myself to blame. Just got my operating authority so this will sting pretty bad. This is the business. Fight, bitch, and complain all day long, wont change anything. The moral of the story, slow down, duck scales when possible, ride in a pack, drive at night and avoid DOT when possible.

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    Bill

    • 11/3/2016 12:21:28 PM

    Jack Smith you're partially right. This was passed on the 2012 transportation bill when RRepublican controlled the house but Democrats controlled the Senate. It's been in litigation since then. I do agree that there are far too many armchair qbs out here though. I have always thought the thing that bothers me the most about this is all the drivers who advocate for elogs. It is very disturbing that many are perfectly ok with our government surveilling them. Because that's all this is. Surveillance with no cause to do so. And without a warrant. And to the ones who think this is OK I have a message for you. YOU are the PROBLEM!!!! Stop sitting down as this government takes your freedoms one by one under the guise of safety.

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    p.t.d.

    • 11/3/2016 12:47:59 PM

    if the fmcsa is so worried about safety, how do people get a cdl that can' talk or understand english ? and why don,t the truck driving schools have to teach more then paper work? here in my state when you get old enough to get a license you have to hold your permit four 6 months before you can take your driving test, but you can be a truck driver in just 8 weeks with 80.000 lbs under you, so why don,t they look at some of the real problems, truck driving schools should be six months with one winter, stop bring in all the people that don,t read and under stand english

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    mike

    • 11/3/2016 12:49:40 PM

    The Constitution does not allow this! Not like it matters anymore!

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    D dub

    • 11/3/2016 12:53:15 PM

    Trump is Right about One thing....the System is rigged....... BUT... that's nothing new...it has always been Rigged,...this America is a corporation , NOT a country anymore.....So forcing E-LOGS down our proverbial throats is just the normal way of doing corrupt business...... Unless we as a whole, wake up and realize that left wing and right wing are connected to the same head of the Eagle, we will continue to get played against one another........All we seem to know how to do is blame a particular person, or Hilary, Trump,Obama,..etc........ it's our fault for allowing ourselves to sit at truck stops glued to Fox news ,being programmed with propaganda....or any other news outlet...... Remember, the regime keeps control by enacting the 3's.... Problem,Reaction,Solution......They Create the problem.... Put it out on the News and wait for our Reaction... Then here they come with the solution.......... IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTROL...... DIDN'T YOU AEE THE MATRIX..... WATCH IT AGAIN......IT WAS DESIGNED to reduce us down to a battery......... that's when NEO threw up.

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    Jack smith

    • 11/3/2016 4:21:25 PM

    Thanks for kickin my comment back,,seems i can strike a nerve here,not that im trying, but long before Bernie Sanders open a can of worms about who runs this country,listen to a few good documentries, Hiest,who stole the American dream, mike moores,Capitalism,a love affair, and site, robertreich.org, he was sec of labor in the Clinton adminstration,and,very much on our side. get a grip, when you accuse the chinese of job lose, remember, those American jobs, are,and were American jobs, the reason why they went belly up, is because most industry today,is owned by venture capitalist,and, hedgefunds. all viaing for profit,and profit only. trucking has been taken to task because they also own alot of trucking,brokerages,and companies,which,help pass these unnesasary ELD mandates to, get every damn minute out of their drivers. now, lets look at this, pay scale, 34 cents a mile, i made that in 1986. wages are flat, we get paid by, mileage,salary,percentage,hourly, and we are the only industry allowed to do this. if manditory ELDs are the future,then take this goverment mandated instrument,and pay us by the hour,for everyhour we are OTR! then we can see how much were worth,to the indusrty. rememeber, american industry kicked our jobs to the curb, the companies we hauled for, the roads we built. The industry didnt renew manufacturing processes, and ran the industry in the ground,and blames labor costs, BULL, it was the fact, these industries were mostly wholey owned by, hedgefunds,venture capitalist,and the like. wall street controls all the money, hense,we have elected,without knowlege obviously,people who are wholey owned by wall streets mass. you never see anyone there go to jail.for colapse of our economics. quit hilary,trump rehtoric, its only devided the working class, its time to unite to vote out wall streets power. try the site, robertreich.org, he has some funny,but damning videos,easy to grasp,this mess... Bernie is right, and hilary will be held to task. Bernie is probably getting a budget commitee chair if the senate goes demo.and hes on our side!remember, the majority of house and senate is republican, and just what the hell have they done for any working person. be cool, and educate on real topics, quit dividing us, we at once were the best friend anyone had,on the road. educate,not degrade.. its closer to hate.... Jack.

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    Freddie

    • 11/3/2016 7:36:42 PM

    It will never work, not all trucks have to log, so way don't that just leave thing alone

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    Ralph

    • 11/4/2016 8:07:28 AM

    It's time to move to Russia. there's much more freedom there than here.

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    Vince

    • 11/4/2016 8:55:42 AM

    With this being implemented... When are you going to look at the warehouses that are wasting driving time?! 6 hrs of our day can be spent unloading and reloading... How is that fair to the average man/woman trying to support themselves or their families? The issues really start and finish there!!!

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    Ricardo

    • 11/13/2016 2:47:36 PM

    I don't agree with the ELD, once they start enforcing it, I'll just install it and go up in my rates. If I see that it's not a business anymore, will just sell the truck. I've been on my own, with my own authority now for almost 10 years and have seen so many things going on here in trucking business, fuel price going up, I paid over a 6 dollars a gallon in CA and in FL, and just went up on my rates, they had to pay. If brokers, shippers or consignees take my time, will just charge more, if they don't want to pay, just won't move my truck. It's that easy. Drivers lets make it and take it easy. Smile it won't ever go into effect. God bless you all and God bless the great America. Let's all make America great again by working that little extra. God bless you all!!!!

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    Mario Martinez

    • 12/30/2016 8:33:32 AM

    I have a small company with only two trucks and I drive one of them! The government should leave the log book alone and focus on a lot of other issues like big companies hiring anyone to drive their trucks after a few weeks of training not knowing what their doing sends them out on a trip alone putting at risk thousands of people in danger including my family and your family, many times I've seen them they can't even speak the language, make regulations that you need to have experience on different equipment and work your way up to big riggs that you are experienced with directions and regulations on a comercial vehicles also experience with loading and unloading trucks because if you know this thing you will know if you was loaded wrong if too heavy on one side or another or it top heavy, etc! You have to have people regulating trucks that actually been hands on directly with the business so you can regulate and control the correct way and have common sense not start shootin in the air just to justify their paycheck that their trying to do something about the situation and all this is just to start with because I haven't mentioned other issues that can be addressed like brokers grabbing a bunch of loads to cover and waiting for the last minute to see who does it for less then rushing the driver cause you on a time frame when it you had plenty time to cover the load and know you have John Doe trying to make it and pushing himself to his limits because if he is not on time he has to pay out of pocket! It is a vicious cycle and it needs to stop and until we get someone who stop pointing fingers and actually knows wich way to take this it will never stop and we all will stay wrapped up on all this nonsense regulations he said, she said bullcrap! Let me know if y'all like my solution find someone to pay my bills and I'll dedicate my self to be the spokesperson to see if we can get somewhere!

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    Rick

    • 1/2/2017 6:10:14 PM

    Remember there is strength in numbers

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    stephen webster

    • 1/5/2017 4:29:59 PM

    Every driver is different Walmart needs to stop fining late drivers We need to pay every driver overtime after 10 hours per day. then then the companies would want E-logs. Many companies shortchange drivers every week No company should be alowed to pay a driver on E-log less than twice the state min. wage

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    Roger Heinrichs

    • 1/12/2017 9:02:12 AM

    The people who came up with this s**t paid certain politicians to pass this bulls**t, only way to stop all this is to stand together and fight and not just running off at the mouth

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    Jeff

    • 1/12/2017 2:43:30 PM

    EVERYONE of you who are DUMB enough to be driving with an ELD are to blame for this, period!!!! Most of you are too stupid to shut your truck down for 1 week because it would throw you into a financial panic!!!! I laugh at eveyone of you who said 10 years ago....if they put an elog in my truck i'll quit driving, and where are you 10 yrs later? Driving diwn the road with your ELD glowing on the dash!! Stop blaming the gooberment, swift jb and all the other clowns, [...] And for those who are foolish enough to think rates are going up to compensate, KEEP DREAMING, ELDs have been around since Warner had the bright idea of introducing the "paperless log" for their brainiac drivers who couldnt figure out how to use a pen, ruler and a calculater.....rates will stay tye same because Hunt, Swift, Warner will always have a fresh supply of iduots waiting to drive their junk down the road for 20 cpm....So to all your smart truck drivers driving with an ELD, keep posting and complaining, its cheap humor.......Or better yet when your wondering who to blame for you makin 500 a week, hang your head out the window, look at the shiney thing hangin off your truck and you ll see where to place the blame next!!!!

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    ernie

    • 1/15/2017 8:20:45 PM

    everyone just relax now and stop posting i did it Im the one to blame, I did not vote , im not part of the congress, im not the president, im not the one that came on whit the rule, im not the one that is going to unite all drivers, im not the one to bring seances to the mass, im not going to do anything to help in the minimum , except type here and think i make a difference just because i speak my mind................................. IF THERE WAS AT LEAST A WAY TO CONVINCE DONALD THAT THIS IS GOING TO KILL JOBS. wait there is ($$$$) wich no one will be willing to spend.

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    Art

    • 1/16/2017 12:49:22 PM

    The problem is not ELDs. No driver should need to work 11+ hours in a day nor more than 70+ hours a week to make a decent living. Don't you folks want to see your kids? The problem is insufficient pay requiring drivers to work excessive hours in order to make a decent income. ELDs are to curtail the small percentage of irresponsible reckless greedy drivers/companies which is in EVERYONE's interest (motoring public including professional drivers).

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    Shuffer

    • 2/10/2017 10:30:21 AM

    That is the big problems stupid people talking bout read and write and speak when they should focus how to fix the problems together

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